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The pod AC tripped our 20 amp breaker, no damage.  We installed a 30 amp breaker which is an easy and quick job.  Now it works fine.  My husband says we actually could run the microwave or other things at the same time but I haven't tried it.  We NEED the AC in this weather to cool off.  Our house has no AC. 
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Question for someone who knows more about electrical wiring than I do (which would be just about anyone on this forum <LOL>):
 
Is it safe to change out a breaker to one with a higher amperage without changing the house wiring to a larger gauge? Without the beefier wiring, wouldn't you have a fire hazard? 
 
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To put in a 30 amp breaker is not a hazard.  Just be careful with those live wires when installing it!
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Originally posted by Ratdog Ratdog wrote:

Question for someone who knows more about electrical wiring than I do (which would be just about anyone on this forum <LOL>):
 
Is it safe to change out a breaker to one with a higher amperage without changing the house wiring to a larger gauge? Without the beefier wiring, wouldn't you have a fire hazard? 
 
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I do basic maintenace on our house's electrical wiring and I would have said and thought the same thing as you Steve.
 
I would never replace a breaker with one of a larger size for that exact reason. 
 
The 20 amp existing breaker would be using #12 gauge and sure it can likely handle some pull over the 20amps but could not safely handle in excess or near the 30amp range and would overheat and possibly cause a fire hazard in my opinion.
 
Also that wouldn't be up to code.
 
Now if you for some odd reason already have #10gauge wiring on this circuit, which would be doubtful, then and only then should you change a breaker up to one that is 30amp.  For my two cents if you want to run the AC you need to change the wiring to #10 gauge and then and ONLY then should you replace a 20amp breaker with a 30 amp one.
 
For my own use I'm converting a 60amp welding receptical in my garage and re-running the wires outside to an outlet which I will then replace with a dedicated 30amp for pod use only.
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Originally posted by Ratdog Ratdog wrote:

Is it safe to change out a breaker to one with a higher amperage without changing the house wiring to a larger gauge? Without the beefier wiring, wouldn't you have a fire hazard? 
 

That is an excellent point, I'm surprised the electricians on here haven't jumped on this already. 

Be careful, it could be dangerous to simply swap breakers. It depends on the gauge wire used in the circuit and the distance the outlet is from the breaker box. Check your local code. When I installed a 30A outdoor outlet for the pod, our code said I could use #10 wire because the run was less than 100'. If it had been longer I would have had to use #8, which I can tell you from previous experience is like trying to bend copper pipe. (The smaller the gauge number, the bigger the wire is. Go figure.)

Most household wiring for 15A or 20A circuits is either #14 or #12. Swapping a 15A breaker in a circuit wired with #14 for a 30A breaker is asking for trouble, IMHO.




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Thanks to everyone for the advice.  After reading all the comments, we will definitely NOT use the air conditioning while at home.  We have a home which is close to 100 years old and assume the wiring in the garage would not handle the draw.
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A little OT but an example of another bad fuse/breaker idea:
 
I had a summer job in college working on a deep sea fishing boat that took tourists out into the Gulf of Mexico. One day I opened up the fuse box and saw that some of the circuits had pennies in the sockets instead of fuses. There were also extra pennies lying inside the box (backups, I guess, in case other circuits started blowing fuses). I quit that job shortly thereafter. Looking back (45 years later), I wish I had reported what I saw to the Coast Guard but I was young and stupid and didn't.
 
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Originally posted by Ratdog Ratdog wrote:

Is it safe to change out a breaker to one with a higher amperage without changing the house wiring to a larger gauge? Without the beefier wiring, wouldn't you have a fire hazard? 
 

Sorry for the oversight on this, too focused on Rpod preservation I suppose. This certainly could be bad as well. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote podsible dream Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jul 2011 at 9:06pm
Just for information, so y'all can relate to something you know... A 30amp circuit is the same as your electric dryer, or a branch circuit for a garage workshop. A 20 amp circuit is usually reserved for a solo appliance like a refrigerator, washing machine, freezer or room size AC unit or in a garage workshop, so every time the the saw goes on the lights don't blink. A 15 amp circuit is atypical household circuit, for lights, tv's and computers. Can't say I'm a certified electrician, but I apprenticed with one for Habitat for Humanity and I do design laboratories for a living and am familiar with these requirements. With your 30 amp circuit, and a good breaker in it, not a weak one, you should be able to run an AC and a microwave oven, altho starting them up at the very same time would be dicey!
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I can run frig and air in my TC but the air on the pod trips the breaker.
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